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Wish everyone that leaves a game early could read this article. 

 

 

https://www.frogsowar.com/2019/9/28/20888420/they-built-it-so-now-its-up-to-us-gary-patterson-crowd-right

 

So where did the Frog fans go? And why?? What more do we expect at this point? Armchairs (plenty of you want to be armchair quarterback every week, so maybe you really do want those)? Full-time wait staff hiking up the ramp to the 400 section to bring you your food? Gordon Ramsey grilling hot dogs? 

Because if you come back at me with the phrase, “A winning team” or something like it, then you’re not a true Frog fan. True Frog fans are the ones who stick with this team through thick and thin. True Frog fans will trust their head coach to lead us through freshmen quarterbacks, receivers with slippery hands, and so many injuries that I consider inquiring about my NCAA eligibility status. True Frog fans don’t always make it to the stadium or to the games, because…well, LIFE…but if they do, then they walk in that stadium and stay for the whole game. True Frog fans were the family in front of us last week with organic dried mango, coloring books, and books fresh from the book fair for their young daughters. And the man behind us who brought his wife and taught her what to look for in each play, who to watch, and why it sucked when we were playing a stellar hurry-up offense and the SMU guy went down with fake cramps. True Frog fans were the elderly couple sharing a bucket of popcorn and telling us about their travels all over the U.S. and how they were planning their trip to the Kansas State game this season. And true Frog fans are the moms who haul the clear bags filled with 5 hours worth of diapers, formula, bottles, teethers, and (sometimes) hair bows, to keep the littlest Frogs entertained and happy. I see you. And I appreciate you.

 

So for all you spoiled “fans” who are upset because a bunch of 18-to-23-year-olds had a rough game, and you felt that was reason enough to go home or back to your dorm early, suck it up. If we want to be a true “Football school” then we need to have high expectations of our team and staff, but they also need to have high expectations of us. The SEC has banned in-and-out privileges for years (which, you could argue, allows ticket prices to be lower with less security staff needed at the gates, but I digress). If we want to call ourselves high-caliber, then we must act like it. Everybody counts at these games. Let me say it again: Every. Body. Counts. Every purple shirt that outnumbers the red, orange, or green shirts. Every voice cheering louder than a visiting fan. Every student heckling the opposing team’s players when our defense stops them on 4th and 1.

 

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Good stuff Twng!  I admit last week I was down on the Frogs "GUILTY". 

In all my years of going to TCU games NEVER did I leave until the clock said 0:00

Texas 81-16 in the snow, I was there, (got thrown out for throwing snowballs at Darrell Royal in the 4th Q but stayed outside until 0:00)

UTA -24 TCU-7 I was there,

TCU-21 U.Miami-17 I was there, 

#13 Arkansas (Lou Holtz) -16 TCU-13 I was there (1 of 25,000), 

#19 Arkansas -24 TCU-28 I was there and will never forget those games! 

 

I also remember every game of the 1984 (8-4) season, I was there! 

Didn't miss a single home game from 1973-1984 and sat in the end zone for every game.

I had my second child in 1985 and getting to games wasn't as easy or affordable back then and my attendance was spotty but I always stayed until 0:00

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I think it's a bit more than simply blaming the fans - the more we go in that direction, the more we're going to alienate the casual fan base, which we're completely dependent upon. Forever, TCU has also lacked the game day environment required to actually get the fans in the game - which means an orchestrated effort between the band, cheerleaders and fans. Right now, we're trying to overcompensate with a sound system. I spent two years in the sports marketing department while an undergrad, and way too much time is spent trying to come up with new things that engage fans versus simply working with establishing simple traditions.

 

I didn't make the game yesterday - had the opportunity to make the trek to the ND-UVA game, and that's about as legit as a college environment as you can get. If we're wanting to get to  place like that, it takes decades of creating a culture around traditions. Which again means feeding off the band, students, cheerleaders and coordinated/simple cheers. I thought it was funny - my 4yo son remarked after the game - "Daddy, I like the Notre Dame games - they aren't too loud like TCU." Why - again, we try to overcompensate by cranking up the music (and don't get me started with our band and playing through the speakers, that's just pathetic).

 

TCU tries to make things way, way, way too difficult - color blocking, etc. If we just kept it simple with a great/loud band, simple cheers (good to see Riff Ram taking hold with the students), that goes a long way.

 

While I'm on my rant, we also have to stop the obsession with opposing fans sitting in the TCU sections. That happens everywhere, and whining about it just makes us look small time. Every game, every college and pro environment I've ever attended has visiting fans sitting in home sections. Get over it.

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I wasn’t at the game. I got rid of my season tickets after the 2017 season. But I’ll say this. Weather plays a HUGE factor in all of this. 90+ degrees, full sun, no airflow? That creates an absolutely miserable game day experience. Why would I spend thousands of dollars a year to have half of the games in that environment?

 

Its no ones fault really I guess. It just is what it is.  

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@Burner send your response to Donati. It's well-reasoned, thoughtful comments like yours they need to see in order to know what's working and isn't.

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I only wish I could have been there and using my season tickets. Every year I question why I spend the money, money I absolutely can not afford to be spending due to the fact that, for me, the mortgage business hasn't been very kind recently. But I do. I feel obligated to support TCU and give back to the athletic program that took a chance on a kid from a small town in West Texas by allowing him to attend his dream school on scholarship. 

 

Every year i await my schedule coming out to see what home games I might be able to attend. This year it was the opening game. But, Mrs. Zebe can't handle the heat, I couldn't find anybody to make the drive over with me, so I watched from home. 

 

I also keep the tickets because I know one of these days soon, I won't be traveling every weekend and I will be able to go to FW for the games. 

 

 

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Game day environment isn’t something you can just turn on. It has to be built. And it will not be established without support from the fans period. You can’t feed off fans when they’re not present. TCU is trying to get fans involved, the east/west GO FROGS chant right before the team comes out is an attempt to establish a simple tradition but people sit on their hands. The RIFF RAM cheer is one of the oldest cheers in all of college sports and I’ve heard more than a handful of people in the stands complain about how stupid it is. Yes, it’s nonsense, but it’s our nonsense. Color blocking is about the most simple thing you can do, all they’re asking is for people to wear a certain color. It was even printed on the tickets for crying out loud. The only thing wrong with color blocking are the fans that are too good to participate.  

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I think about half the TCU fan base see football games as a social event and don't really care much about football. They are there to suck alcohol with their friends at a tailgate, warm up for a Saturday night date or entertain potential clients. None of those things are enhanced by a hot sunny afternoon. The administration provides free cold water, and lets us bring in one bottle, and has put fans in the concourse. Maybe they could put misters around the stadium or something, but really as long as we have daytime kickoffs in September, it's going to a problem. A better approach may be to make more people care about the football. Winning helps, but even when winning we don't fill the stadium with purple. 

 

All that said, Iowa State lost last week and we will have a morning kickoff, but I will wager the stadium in Ames is full.

 

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11 hours ago, DirtyThirdFrog said:

I wasn’t at the game. I got rid of my season tickets after the 2017 season. But I’ll say this. Weather plays a HUGE factor in all of this. 90+ degrees, full sun, no airflow? That creates an absolutely miserable game day experience. Why would I spend thousands of dollars a year to have half of the games in that environment?

 

Its no ones fault really I guess. It just is what it is.  

 

 

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I agree on weather being a factor.  Who the hell wants to sit in the 95 degree sun at noon?   Not this big guy

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Maybe we need to put an inflated dummy with a purple shirt in each seat. When you get there you deflate the dummy and sit on it. If the seat isn't filled, it all the purple shirts still look good on TV.

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20 hours ago, Senor Ballistico said:

 

 

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I agree on weather being a factor.  Who the hell wants to sit in the 95 degree sun at noon?   Not this big guy

I used to try to come down to see a game in Oct. I will certainly never do so again. Just plain too hot for me now. November is much more reasonable.  Hoping to see a game then this year

 

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On 9/29/2019 at 8:53 PM, Senor Ballistico said:

 

 

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I agree on weather being a factor.  Who the hell wants to sit in the 95 degree sun at noon?   Not this big guy

 

Add in the families that want to attend and it gets a lot harder.  I could suck it up easily in my 20s.  In my 30s, it's not horrible by myself, but with kids in tow, it's just not feasible for more than a half.  

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I was proud that we stayed until close to the end of the 3rd quarter, seeing as how a) my wife was working, so I had all three kids by myself, and b) my son stayed up about an hour past his nap time.

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I think Saturday day games are especially difficult for families with kids in athletics because that's when so many soccer games and peewee football games happen, not to mention gymnastics and other stuff I don't even know of. For young alumni, who are the target audience of the athletic department, that's just the reality. Plus, grandparents are going to choose to go see the grandkids play their games most of the time. 

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Kid's athletics are pathetic. They don't even keep score anymore and junior isn't making it to varsity much less the NFL. Do your job parents and pull your kids out of their sports to attend a family friendly event that you will all remember for a lifetime...

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3 hours ago, Rothbardian said:

Kid's athletics are pathetic. They don't even keep score anymore and junior isn't making it to varsity much less the NFL. Do your job parents and pull your kids out of their sports to attend a family friendly event that you will all remember for a lifetime...

 

Lol. I don’t have kids. But I’ve kind of always thought this. 

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3 hours ago, Rothbardian said:

Kid's athletics are pathetic. They don't even keep score anymore and junior isn't making it to varsity much less the NFL. Do your job parents and pull your kids out of their sports to attend a family friendly event that you will all remember for a lifetime...

 

Who likes soccer anyway?

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6 minutes ago, DirtyThirdFrog said:

 

Who likes soccer anyway?

 

Taking my kid to high school soccer is pretty much the only reason I exist right now ...

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15 hours ago, PurpleDawg said:

I think Saturday day games are especially difficult for families with kids in athletics because that's when so many soccer games and peewee football games happen, not to mention gymnastics and other stuff I don't even know of. For young alumni, who are the target audience of the athletic department, that's just the reality. Plus, grandparents are going to choose to go see the grandkids play their games most of the time. 

 

Gymnastics makes life difficult 3-7 days a week, actually, depending on competition level. Not just Saturdays. Trust me. I know.

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11 hours ago, Duquesne Frog said:

 

Taking my kid to high school soccer is pretty much the only reason I exist right now ...

 

Too bad parents today can't do what my mother did. When I walked home from school (unescorted by any adult) at around 3 she told me to go out and play but be back by 5:30 for dinner. We did. Unsupervised by any adult. I still remember some of the great pickup games of various sorts we played.

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1 hour ago, NewfoundlandFreeFrog said:

 

Gymnastics makes life difficult 3-7 days a week, actually, depending on competition level. Not just Saturdays. Trust me. I know.

Oh, and I completely forgot about dance. Duq would probably know a lot about that, too.

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8 minutes ago, PurpleDawg said:

Oh, and I completely forgot about dance. Duq would probably know a lot about that, too.

 

Yeah, come November, that will be come the only reason for my existence as soccer season fades out ...

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