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Pertinent updates after the Iowa State game:

 

 

Vladimir Brodziansky:

Current season total blocked shots: 61 (tied for 7th all-time with Alvardo Parker's 2007 season).

-Needs 3 to pass James Penny's 1996 & 1997 seasons to gain sole possession of 5th place

-Needs 6 to pass Kurt Thomas' 1995 season for 4th place

-Needs 9 to pass Kurt Thomas' 1994 season for 3rd place

 

Current career blocked shots: 95 (6th all-time)

-Needs 77 total the rest of this year & all of next to break James Penny's school-record of 171

-Needs 8 to pass Shepherd for 5th

 

 

Kenrich Williams:

Current season total rebounds: 226

-Needs 84 to pass Gary Turner (1966) to crack the Top 10

 

Current career rebounds: 447

-Needs 216 total the rest of this year & all of next to pass Bingo Merriex to crack the Top 10.  

 

 

Alex Robinson:

Current season total assists: 150

-Needs 19 to pass Jamie Dixon (1987) to crack the Top 10.

 

Current season total steals: 43

-Needs 15 to pass Albert Thomas (1991) to crack the Top 10

 

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Updates after the West Virginia game:

 

 

Vladimir Brodziansky:

Current season total blocked shots: 69 

-PASSED James Penny's '96 & '97 seasons, Kurt Thomas' '95 season

-Now tied for #3 all-time with Kurt Thomas' 1994 season

-Needs 6 to pass Derrick Davenport's 2001 season for 2nd place

-Would need 28 to break Davenport's single-season school record of 96, set in 2000

 

Current career blocked shots: 103 

-Now tied for #5 all-time with Karviar Shepherd

-Needs 69 total the rest of this year & all of next to break James Penny's school-record of 171

 

 

Kenrich Williams:

Current season total rebounds: 248

-Needs 62 to pass Gary Turner (1966) to crack the Top 10

 

Current career rebounds: 469

-Needs 194 total the rest of this year & all of next to pass Bingo Merriex to crack the Top 10.  

 

 

Alex Robinson:

Current season total assists: 157

-Needs 12 to pass Jamie Dixon (1987) to crack the Top 10.

 

Current season total steals: 44

-Needs 14 to pass Albert Thomas (1991) to crack the Top 10

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Updates after the regular season finale against OU:

 

 

Vladimir Brodziansky:

Current season total blocked shots: 72 (#3 all-time)

-Needs 3 to pass Derrick Davenport's 2001 season for 2nd place

-Would need 25 to break Davenport's single-season school record of 96, set in 2000.  Hard to see that happening.

 

Current career blocked shots: 106 (#5 all-time)

-Needs 28 to pass Reggie Smith for #4

-Needs 66 total the rest of this year & all of next to break James Penny's school-record of 171

 

 

Kenrich Williams:

Current season total rebounds: 272

-Needs 38 to pass Gary Turner (1966) to crack the Top 10

 

Current career rebounds: 493

-Needs 170 total the rest of this year & all of next to pass Bingo Merriex to crack the Top 10.  

 

 

Alex Robinson:

Current season total assists: 169

-PASSED Jamie Dixon for #10 all-time

-Needs 10 to pass Brent Atwater's 1992 season for #9

-Needs 12 to pass Corey Santee's 2002 season & Tony Edmond's 1989 season for #7

-Needs 13 to pass Mike Jones' 1998 season for #6

 

Current career assists: 169

-Needs 171 to pass Mike Jones & Thomas McTyer to crack the Top 10

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Updates after the 1st-round NIT win over Fresno State:

 

 

Vladimir Brodziansky:

Current season total blocked shots: 79 

***PASSED Derrick Davenport's 2001 season for 2nd place***

-Needs 18 to break Davenport's single-season school record of 96, set in 2000.  

 

Current career blocked shots: 113 (#5 all-time)

-Needs 21 to pass Reggie Smith for #4

-Needs 59 total the rest of this year & all of next to break James Penny's school-record of 171

 

 

Kenrich Williams:

Current season total rebounds: 309

***TIED Gary Turner (1966) for #10 all-time***

-Needs 3 to pass Ronny Stevenson (1957) for #9

-Needs 9 to pass Stevenson ('58) and Doug Arnold (1983) for #7

-Needs 15 to pass Dennis Davis (1998) for #6

 

Current career rebounds: 530

-Needs 133 to pass Bingo Merriex to crack the Top 10.  

 

 

Alex Robinson:

Current season total assists: 195

***PASSED Brent Atwater (1992), Tony Edmond (1989), Corey Santee (2002), Mike Jones (1998) and Ronnie Moss (2010) for #5 all-time***

-Needs 10 to pass Prince Fowler (1998) for #4

-Needs 31 to pass Hank Thorns (2011) for #3

 

Current career assists: 195

-Needs 145 to pass Mike Jones & Thomas McTyer to crack the Top 10

 

Current season total steals: 52

-Needs 6 to pass Albert Thomas (1991) to crack the Top 10

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Updates after the OT road win over Iowa:

 

 

Vladimir Brodziansky:

Current season total blocked shots: 80 (#2 all time)

-Needs 17 to break Davenport's single-season school record of 96, set in 2000.  

 

Current career blocked shots: 114 (#5 all-time)

-Needs 20 to pass Reggie Smith for #4

-Needs 58 total the rest of this year & all of next to break James Penny's school-record of 171

 

 

Kenrich Williams:

Current season total rebounds: 319

***PASSED Ronny Stevenson ('57 & '58) and Doug Arnold ('83) for #7 all-time

-Needs 5 to pass Dennis Davis (1998) for #6

-Needs 30 to pass H.E. Kirchner (1959) for #5

 

Current career rebounds: 540

-Needs 123 to pass Bingo Merriex to crack the Top 10.

 

Current season total steals: 51

-Needs 8 to pass Albert Thomas (1991) to crack the Top 10

 

Current career total steals: 81

-Needs 33 to pass James Penny & Prince Fowler to crack the Top 10

 

 

 

Alex Robinson:

Current season total assists: 206

***PASSED Prince Fowler (1998) for #4 all-time

-Needs 21 to pass Hank Thorns (2011) for #3

 

Current career assists: 206

-Needs 134 to pass Mike Jones & Thomas McTyer to crack the Top 10

 

Current season total steals: 55

-Needs 3 to pass Albert Thomas (1991) to crack the Top 10

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Updates after the NIT semifinal win over Central Florida:

 

Vladimir Brodziansky:

Current season total blocked shots: 81 (#2 all time)

-Needs 16 to break Davenport's single-season school record of 96, set in 2000.  

 

Current career blocked shots: 115 (#5 all-time)

-Needs 19 to pass Reggie Smith for #4

-Needs 57 to break James Penny's school-record of 171

 

 

Kenrich Williams:

Current season total rebounds: 347

***PASSED Dennis Davis (1998) for #6

-Needs 2 to pass H.E. Kirchner (1959) for #5

-Needs 19 to pass Doug Boyd (1970) for #4

 

Current career rebounds: 568

-Needs 95 to pass Bingo Merriex to crack the Top 10.

 

Current season total steals: 51

-Needs 8 to pass Albert Thomas (1991) to crack the Top 10

 

Current career total steals: 81

-Needs 33 to pass James Penny & Prince Fowler to crack the Top 10

 

 

 

Alex Robinson:

Current season total assists: 217

-Needs 9 to pass Hank Thorns (2011) for #3

-Needs 10 to pass Prince Fowler (1999) for #2

-Needs 18 to break Tony Edmond's single-season school record of 234, set in 1990

 

Current career assists: 217

-Needs 123 to pass Mike Jones & Thomas McTyer to crack the Top 10

 

Current season total steals: 55

-Needs 3 to pass Albert Thomas (1991) to crack the Top 10

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3 hours ago, RedHill said:

Thanks for keeping up with this

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On 3/28/2017 at 10:49 PM, Lyle Lanley said:

Updates after the NIT semifinal win over Central Florida:

 

Vladimir Brodziansky:

Current season total blocked shots: 81 (#2 all time)

-Needs 16 to break Davenport's single-season school record of 96, set in 2000.  

 

Current career blocked shots: 115 (#5 all-time)

-Needs 19 to pass Reggie Smith for #4

-Needs 57 to break James Penny's school-record of 171

 

 

Kenrich Williams:

Current season total rebounds: 347

***PASSED Dennis Davis (1998) for #6

-Needs 2 to pass H.E. Kirchner (1959) for #5

-Needs 19 to pass Doug Boyd (1970) for #4

 

Current career rebounds: 568

-Needs 95 to pass Bingo Merriex to crack the Top 10.

 

Current season total steals: 51

-Needs 8 to pass Albert Thomas (1991) to crack the Top 10

 

Current career total steals: 81

-Needs 33 to pass James Penny & Prince Fowler to crack the Top 10

 

 

 

Alex Robinson:

Current season total assists: 217

-Needs 9 to pass Hank Thorns (2011) for #3

-Needs 10 to pass Prince Fowler (1999) for #2

-Needs 18 to break Tony Edmond's single-season school record of 234, set in 1990

 

Current career assists: 217

-Needs 123 to pass Mike Jones & Thomas McTyer to crack the Top 10

 

Current season total steals: 55

-Needs 3 to pass Albert Thomas (1991) to crack the Top 10

 

I've always wondered why the rebounding totals were so much higher before the early 70s.  We routinely had guys averaging in double digits and up to 16.6 by Goo Kennedy.  Nationally the leaders were often in the low 20s per game. Williams is a rebounding machine and still is under 10.  Wiki says it is because before the divisional split, there were more games against bad teams, but that seems like a stretch. I haven't seen this mentioned, but I also wonder if it also doesn't have to do with the fact the game isn't played around the rim as much. More 3 pointers means more long rebounds.  Less post play means less back and forths around the rim and less "short" rebounds.  

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Here is NBA yearly leaders which also shows a decline starting around the 70s.  Obviously Wilt and Russell were unique talents who played the whole game, but there were others in those years who had high Rebounding averages:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebound_(basketball)

 

BTW, when people talk about records that will never be broken, you don't hear much about rebounding average and total rebounds.  Those are pretty much untouchable in both the NBA and NCAA.

 

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2 hours ago, NeFrog in the Kitchen Sink said:

 

I've always wondered why the rebounding totals were so much higher before the early 70s.  We routinely had guys averaging in double digits and up to 16.6 by Goo Kennedy.  Nationally the leaders were often in the low 20s per game. Williams is a rebounding machine and still is under 10.  Wiki says it is because before the divisional split, there were more games against bad teams, but that seems like a stretch. I haven't seen this mentioned, but I also wonder if it also doesn't have to do with the fact the game isn't played around the rim as much. More 3 pointers means more long rebounds.  Less post play means less back and forths around the rim and less "short" rebounds.  

 

The pace was completely different back then. For example, the three NBA teams with the highest field goal attempts per game average over the course of a season where the Boston Celtics in 59-60 and 60-61 (119.61 and 117.66), and the Philadelphia Warriors in 59-60 (115.71). By comparison the team with the most FGA per game this year is the Knicks, at 88.7. So you add an extra 20-30 possessions per game, and the fact that Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell were basically anomalies in the game of basketball back then, that's how you end up with career averages of 22 rebounds per game. Rodman averaging 19 rebounds a game in 1992 is I think statistically on par with Chamberlain going for 27 a game in 1961.

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49 minutes ago, Mike M. said:

 

The pace was completely different back then. For example, the three NBA teams with the highest field goal attempts per game average over the course of a season where the Boston Celtics in 59-60 and 60-61 (119.61 and 117.66), and the Philadelphia Warriors in 59-60 (115.71). By comparison the team with the most FGA per game this year is the Knicks, at 88.7. So you add an extra 20-30 possessions per game, and the fact that Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell were basically anomalies in the game of basketball back then, that's how you end up with career averages of 22 rebounds per game. Rodman averaging 19 rebounds a game in 1992 is I think statistically on par with Chamberlain going for 27 a game in 1961.

 

That's a good point about the pace.  Was that also true in the college game, though?

 

The NCAA keeps pre and post 1973 rebounding stats, and uses the split into divisions as the reason (although it doesn't do that for other stats, I don't think). I wonder if the divisional split is a red herring and the real reason for the decrease in rebounds is pace and/or style of play.

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22 hours ago, NeFrog in the Kitchen Sink said:

 

That's a good point about the pace.  Was that also true in the college game, though?

That's probably harder to nail down since college stats in general just aren't as well kept (or didn't exist historically). Anecdotally, I looked at UCLA, this year they averaged 69 field goal attempts per game, in 1970 it was 75, 76 in 1965. They were good back then, they're good now, so I thought they could be a decent comparison. 20% increase in the 60s from today. But, short of looking at individual teams, hard to gather too much info on FGAs in the 60s compared to today.

 

But my assumption would be if the pace in the NBA was up considerably back then there would be some evidence of that in college as well.

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Final single-season accolades for 2016-17:

-Vladimir Brodziansky's 82 blocks ranked 2nd all-time 

-Alex Robinson's 228 assists ranked 2nd all-time...and just 6 short of Tony Edmond's school record of 234 in 1990

-Alex Robinson's 59 steals ranked 9th all-time

-Kenrich Williams' 359 rebounds ranked 5th all-time

 

Chasing the career records, per category:

 

Points:

-Brodziansky (868 career points) needs 559 to pass Gary Turner for #10 all-time.  He scored 548 this year.

 

Rebounds:

-Williams (580) needs 83 to pass Bingo Merriex for #10 all-time.

-He would need 387 to break Reggie Smith's school record - he had 359 this year.

 

Assists:

-Robinson (228) needs 112 to pass Mike Jones & Thomas McTyer, who are currently tied for #9 all-time.

-He needs 348 to break Corey Santee's school record - which he should be able to do by the end of his senior season

 

Blocks:

-Brodziansky (115) currently ranks #5 all-time

-He needs 57 to break James Penny's school record.  He had 82 this year.

 

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Worth noting on Kenrich and Vlad's numbers that neither put up hardly any numbers the first several games this year.  So they should be able to reach the milestones above.

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