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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/12789694/big-12-likely-add-championship-game-commissioner-bob-bowlsby-says

IRVING, Texas -- Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby said that after learning Wednesday that 13 games meant more than 12 to the College Football Playoff selection committee, his conference likely would move to add a title game.

"Having 13 [games] is superior to having 12," Bowlsby said. "It kind of gives us guidance what we need to be doing in the future."

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I guess it'd make too much sense to ask the NCAA for permission for conferences without a conference championship game to be able to have 13 regular season games?

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Boo.

 

We've rehashed why this is a terrible idea over and over.  Is the Big XII-II's real motivation the money that comes with the CCG?  Hasn't the financial windfall of the CCG been rather hit-or-miss for other conferences?

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Boo.

 

We've rehashed why this is a terrible idea over and over.  Is the Big XII-II's real motivation the money that comes with the CCG?  Hasn't the financial windfall of the CCG been rather hit-or-miss for other conferences?

 

 

The crowds have been hit-or-miss, except for the SEC and to a lesser extent the Big 10.

 

 

 

 

The TV deals have been quite lucrative.  Big 10 is getting 24 million for each of their first 5 title games from Fox.

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Get used to the weekly rankings, too.

 

 

http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/playoff-approves-weekly-rankings-puts-army-navy-issue

 

 

 

College Football Playoff executive director Bill Hancock said the FBS commissioners recalled the constant tweaks to the Bowl Championship Series that caused fans to lose confidence in that system and decided it was best not to tinker with the new format after a successful first season.

"Don't fix it if it ain't broke," Hancock said after what was scheduled to be three days of meetings in North Texas concluded in only two.

Fourth-seeded Ohio State won the first College Football Playoff national championship last season, beating No. 1 Alabama in the semifinals and No. 2 Oregon in the title game at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

The College Football Playoff semifinals will be played in the Orange and Cotton bowls on New Year's Eve this season and the national title game will be held at University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona, on Jan. 11.

Big Ten Commissioner Jim Delany said the response to the playoff from those who participated in it and fans was overwhelmingly positive. Hancock said according to ESPN's research the playoff drew more casual fans to college football's postseason than ever before. The playoff set ratings records for ESPN and cable television.

"The pop we experienced was the public saying thanks for giving us what we had been asking for," Delany said.

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So by adding a conference game, the B12 will now be playing 10 conference games versus the 9 that everyone else with a champ game plays (4 OOC games). And on top of that, you will be playing a team you've played already every time. No matter what the B12 does, it's going to make things worse until they expand like the rest of the conferences.

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Obviously could not go into effect until NCAA make changes so soonest would be 2016 season. They have time to think it through and hopefully come to a rational conclusion but glad will not effect this coming season.

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So by adding a conference game, the B12 will now be playing 10 conference games versus the 9 that everyone else with a champ game plays (4 OOC games). And on top of that, you will be playing a team you've played already every time. No matter what the B12 does, it's going to make things worse until they expand like the rest of the conferences.

 

 

Pac 12 plays 9 + a CCG, and the Big 10 will do the same starting in '16.

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So, undefeated TCU gets to play 10-2 Oklahoma in the title game and loses.  Then, it's Peach Bowl time again while the SEC sends two 12-1 teams to the playoffs. 

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Every conference with a CCG runs that risk.  Heck - we were praying that happened last year.  Didnt happen in either possibility, sadly.  But it has happened 2 years in a row in the B10 - #2 Ohio State lost to #10 Michigan State in the 2013 B10 CCG and the previous year unranked Wisconsin beat #14 Nebraska (who had beaten UW earlier in the year).

 

 

 

Playing a CCG after a complete round-robin - yeah, that's illogical.  But the mere risk of losing is something they all deal with - indeed its an arguable advantage for the B12 currently.

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So, undefeated TCU gets to play 10-2 Oklahoma in the title game and loses.  Then, it's Peach Bowl time again while the SEC sends two 12-1 teams to the playoffs.

You scared of Big Game Bob?

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So by adding a conference game, the B12 will now be playing 10 conference games versus the 9 that everyone else with a champ game plays (4 OOC games). And on top of that, you will be playing a team you've played already every time. No matter what the B12 does, it's going to make things worse until they expand like the rest of the conferences.

 

What is this, the Pac-12?

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Firstly, I don't think we should do ANYTHING based on what the committee says. The committee was nothing but cognitive dissonance. The rationales for the rankings changed each week, and the reasonings always conflicted with themselves.

Every public explanation of what factors mattered has fallen somewhere on the spectrum between bald-faced-lie & utter-bullshit.

Secondly, if we do get a ccg, no way should we do it with a 12 or a 10 team conference. 10 creates a guaranteed rematch, which only serves to deflate the conferences' record. 12, well there aren't two teams worth adding. I would suggest 11 teams with an 8 game conference schedule. Add BYU (barf) and inflate records by guaranteeing fewer conference losses and thereby more games between highly ranked teams. The number in the loss column still seems to be far and above the most important factor in the current ranking system.

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Hope they do not jump too quickly on this a ruin a teams shot at a title because they lost a repeat CCG.

 

Also agree not to go by what the committee says, they are so inconsistent.  Need to get the criteria in writing.  If it was that 13th game that was a deciding factor after having been told it did not matter, then it would be fun to see a court order hold up the playoffs until they come up with a fair plan.  I doubt the Big 12 would have signed off if they were told up front that you had to have 13 games.

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Hope they do not jump too quickly on this a ruin a teams shot at a title because they lost a repeat CCG.

 

Also agree not to go by what the committee says, they are so inconsistent.  Need to get the criteria in writing.  If it was that 13th game that was a deciding factor after having been told it did not matter, then it would be fun to see a court order hold up the playoffs until they come up with a fair plan.  I doubt the Big 12 would have signed off if they were told up front that you had to have 13 games.

 

 

And they're still not telling us we HAVE to have a 13th game.  The indisputable fact still remains that had OSU or FSU lost, somebody from the Big 12 would have gotten into the playoff.  Without the 13th game.

 

 

 

 

 

It's also not a big enough issue to have prevented the playoff.  There's too much money involved.

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And they're still not telling us we HAVE to have a 13th game.  The indisputable fact still remains that had OSU or FSU lost, somebody from the Big 12 would have gotten into the playoff.  Without the 13th game.

 

It's also not a big enough issue to have prevented the playoff.  There's too much money involved.

Exactly, each year will have its own unique circumstances and to try and chase what the committee will do the next season is ridiculous. If TCU hadn't melted down in the 4th in Waco we would have been in, if BU hadn't thrown up in WV they would have been in, if Wisky hadn't rolled over.....etc etc.

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According to Chris del Conte, we fell from 3 to 6 because Minnesota and Oklahoma lost and dropped out of the final Top 25, giving us fewer wins over ranked teams. He didn't say anything about needing a championship game.

 

Although I guess we all would have welcomed a shot at Baylor on a neutral field last year.

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Exactly, each year will have its own unique circumstances and to try and chase what the committee will do the next season is ridiculous. If TCU hadn't melted down in the 4th in Waco we would have been in, if BU hadn't thrown up in WV they would have been in, if Wisky hadn't rolled over.....etc etc.

 

 

Hindsight being 20/20, the ACC title game was obviously the missed opportunity.  Ohio State proved themselves worthy of the big stage, Florida State not so much.  They skated on thin ice all year, and it caught up with them at the worst time.

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Bottom line the odds of a championship game knocking you out of a final 4 are greater than putting you in. What happens if you have a number 1 lose the B12 championship and misses the playoffs, do you then eliminate the game the next year?

Trouble with this talk is that they are basically committing to a title game if the NCAA changes the rules.

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It's a total overreaction.  We aren't having this discussion if either TCU or Baylor make it last year, and if both make it, we are probably talking about how it is an advantage for the Big 12.

 

But I will say that hosting a Championship game at least removes the "non-conformity" scarlet letter from the Big 12 and puts the league on equal ground with the other leagues instead of, for good or bad, standing out as different.  From a PR perspective, it is probably a good move and while I do think there is a bigger advantage not having one, it is probably not that big of a disadvantage to have one. Some years it will hurt, some it will help. Plus, it will be extra revenue for the league.  

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But I will say that hosting a Championship game at least removes the "non-conformity" scarlet letter from the Big 12 and puts the league on equal ground with the other leagues instead of, for good or bad, standing out as different.  From a PR perspective, it is probably a good move and while I do think there is a bigger advantage not having one, it is probably not that big of a disadvantage to have one. Some years it will hurt, some it will help. Plus, it will be extra revenue for the league.  

 

 

Which is, more likely, the real reason behind all of this.

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