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Some "infuriated" Canadians are questioning President Trump's ban on exports of N95 masks to America's neighbor to the north. One Canadian leader responded to Mr. Trump's restriction by reminding the world that Canada stepped up to help Americans after the September 11th attacks. 

 

"To say that I'm infuriated by the recent actions of President Trump of the United States is an understatement," Newfoundland Premier Dwight Ball told the Associated Press. "I cannot believe for a second that in a time of crisis that President Trump would even think about banning key medical supplies to Canada."

 

On 9/11, 7,000 airline passengers on flights to and from the U.S. were grounded in Newfoundland, Canada, were residents offered them safe harbor. The small town of Gander only had about 500 hotel rooms, former Gander Mayor Claude Elliott said, but volunteers and the Canadian military made sure everyone had a place to stay. 

 

The story of the town's generosity toward the passengers even inspired the hit Broadway musical, "Come from Away." It exemplifies how humanity prevails, even during the darkest times. 

 

Now, Premier Ball is reminding Mr. Trump of that generosity. "Newfoundland and Labrador will never give up on humanity. We will not hesitate for one second if we had to repeat what we did on 9-11. We would do it again," Ball said in the AP interview.

 

"This is a time when we need to work together to continue to protect our residents and keep them safe from COVID-19 no mater where they live or what passport they hold," he continued.

 

Elliott, who served as Gander's mayor for 21 years, also spoke out on the matter. "I understand the United States is going through a very dramatic time, especially in New York, and they need a lot of supplies, but we're fighting an enemy that is just not one state, it's the whole world," Elliott said. "And when we come to those times of tragedy in our life, we need everybody helping each other."

 

Some Canadians tweeted about their disappointment in Mr. Trump's restriction. "Remember when Canada took in stranded US planes on 9/11, sent troops to die alongside US soldiers in Afghanistan, sent help to New Orleans after Katrina? Because Donald Trump clearly doesn't," Canadian TV executive Troy Reeb wrote.

 

Mitch Garber, an investor and member of the Order of Canada, wrote: "Today Canadians are deeply disappointed in @realDonaldTrump's actions regarding the availability of @3M masks in Canada. It's worth noting that these masks are made with Canadian produced pulp, & Canada will not withhold that pulp, because that is not how countries act

— Mitch Garber (@mitchgarber) April 4, 2020

 

Last month, President Trump invoked the Defense Production Act, which gives the government broad authority to direct companies to meet national defense needs. Mr. Trump recently exercised that power when he ordered the Minnesota-based company 3M to stop selling surgical masks abroad.

 

Last week, 3M pushed back against Mr. Trump's restriction. In a statement, 3M said that the company and its employees "have gone above and beyond to manufacture as many N95 respirators as possible for the U.S. market." The statement added that there would be "significant humanitarian implications" if the company had to stop supplying masks to Canada and Latin American countries.

 

The company added that it is working to combat "unethical and illegal" price-gouging and unauthorized reselling of its products.

Canada, which has at least 15,940 confirmed coronavirus cases — substantially fewer than the United States, with over 337,900 — is still in dire need of personal protective equipment (PPE) for health care workers. 

 

500,000 masks were held up at the U.S.-Canada border on Sunday due to Mr. Trump's restriction, an Ontario government source said, according to Global News. Ontario Premier Doug Ford initially misstated that 3 million masks were held at the border.

 

Canada's Prime Minister Justin Trudeau did not confirm that the shipment of masks was blocked. "We are working very closely with all provinces and monitoring the levels of personal protective equipment and the challenges they're facing," Trudeau said during a press briefing on Monday.

 

Last week, the prime minister said he was "confident" this matter would be resolved and he looked forward to speaking with Mr. Trump about it. 

 

U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo spoke with Canadian Foreign Minister François-Philippe Champagne about the matter on Monday. 

 

"They discussed national and international cooperation to contain COVID-19 transmissions and to address the public health threat caused by the pandemic," Pompeo's spokesperson Morgan Ortagus said in a statement. "Secretary Pompeo reiterated the United States' desire to work with Canada to ensure the viability of international supply chains for crucial medical supplies and personnel, while also meeting the needs of regions with the most severe outbreaks."

 

The two officials "also reviewed efforts to repatriate their citizens from cruise ships and third countries," the statement reads, referring to two cruise ships carrying passengers stricken with coronavirus. The ships were recently allowed to dock in Florida, but some passengers from other countries like Canada have not been allowed to disembark the ships.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-3m-masks-coronavirus-defense-production-act-export-canada-helped-united-states-9-11-trudeau/

 

 

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And I'm sure if Canada were ever attacked and closed its airspace Trump would allow Cdn-bound flights to land in the USA. /s

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We were assured, when we had 15 cases in the US, that it'd be down to zero within "a couple of days"

 

Today, we crossed the threshold of 15,000 deaths.

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1 hour ago, Lyle Lanley II said:

We were assured, when we had 15 cases in the US, that it'd be down to zero within "a couple of days"

 

Today, we crossed the threshold of 15,000 deaths.


Yeah, remember when he didn’t want to let a handful of people off a cruise ship because it would “double his numbers and wasn’t his fault“? Ah, good times.

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10 minutes ago, Friskyfrog said:


Yeah, remember when he didn’t want to let a handful of people off a cruise ship because it would “double his numbers and wasn’t his fault“? Ah, good times.

 

I like how he's claiming that locking down entry to the US from China and Mexico was essential to reducing the outbreak here, while the outbreak here is worse by every conceivable metric than both countries and China was dealing with it for several weeks before it really started blowing up here ...

 

Of course now he's claiming it's WHO's fault it got so bad here ...

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28 minutes ago, Duquesne Frog said:

 

I like how he's claiming that locking down entry to the US from China and Mexico was essential to reducing the outbreak here...


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/science/new-york-coronavirus-cases-europe-genomes.html

 

The failing NYT says that NY’s cases came from Europe.  #BuildAMoat

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2 hours ago, Lyle Lanley II said:

We were assured, when we had 15 cases in the US, that it'd be down to zero within "a couple of days"

 

Today, we crossed the threshold of 15,000 deaths.

 

Yeah, it's bad.  Thankfully, deaths from pneumonia have plummeted in recent weeks.

 

 

US Pneumonia Deaths Have Plummeted in 2020 – Mortality Now ...

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Back to the fun with models causing everyone to lock down the country, the tweets below show that the models have been downgraded twice since April 1, even though the April 1 model already factored in full social distancing through May.  The models are garbage and people should be demanding answers.  And these are the fatality rates.  Keep in mind, the lock down has to do with not overwhelming hospitals, not saving lives.  The models' predictions on hospital beds have been even worse.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Army Frog Fan said:

Yeah, it's bad. 

 

Indeed.

 

3 hours ago, Army Frog Fan said:

Thankfully, deaths from pneumonia have plummeted in recent weeks.

 

US Pneumonia Deaths Have Plummeted in 2020 – Mortality Now ...

 

Interesting data, for sure.  Where did you come across that chart, and what conclusions do you draw from it?

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https://thehill.com/homenews/media/492015-liberty-university-police-issue-arrest-warrants-for-nyt-propublica-reporters
 

Liberty University campus police issue arrest warrants for New York Times and ProPublica reporters after critical articles are published.

 

Does New York even have extradition with the Confederacy?

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5 hours ago, Lyle Lanley II said:

 

Indeed.

 

 

Interesting data, for sure.  Where did you come across that chart, and what conclusions do you draw from it?

 

I wouldn't call this "plummeting", exactly. Nor would any qualified time series analyst. From CDC:

 

nchs-mortality-report.png

 

The above plot may be a bit confusing what with dual y axes and all. Just downloading the flu + pneumonia data since week 40 of 2015 and graphing it we get:

 

plot.png

 

Legend: red = 2015-16; orange = 2016-17; green = 2017-18; blue = 2018-19; black = 2019-20 (up to week 12 of 2020, note that week 12 has 84% data coverage not 100%)

 

Why flu + pneumonia? These are the two that are most likely to be confused with COVID early in a pandemic. Note (found with data files) that the actual pneumonia and flu data is only 100% complete up to week 11 of 2020 (early/mid March 2020). We are now at 16,000 dead from COVID alone (plus many more from flu and influenza likely though those numbers are not in yet, obviously) and counting for a goodly while yet. You will notice that 16,000 is nearly over twice the highest total over the past 5 seasons and we have a long, long way to go yet.

 

Those disinforming sites which are publishing things like the pneumonia stats are doing what science deniers always do to fool people...and people do get fooled: They cherrypick one particular data point, they remove all context and all other datapoints like previous years or confounding variables (COVID mortality itself in this case), they never, ever, ever run any stats to show whether the "differences" are actually significant or not,  and they then "show" that what they want you to believe is somehow the only possible inference! For example, if we sum just pneumonia deaths in the first 11 weeks of each year (to get 100% data coverage this year) we get from 2016 to 2020 and examine it for outliers we get: grubbs.test(c(45542,48381,51887,43080,39576)) Answer: p <= .4 or pretty much as randomly insignificant as you can get. So, is there any evidence whatsoever for a drop in pneumonia in these numbers? Not really. You can make it work if you ignore a lot, but, well, you have to ignore a lot. Like the 16,000 COVID deaths so far which kick the numbers far above "normal". However Fox and other denial sources will "accidentally" neglect mention this tiny fact. Plus I suspect the health people are a little busy at the moment and likely the numbers will grow when everything gets caught up, but we'll see about that later.

 

Data found at: https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

 

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C’mon the pneumonia thing is a joke, although they admitted they are coding things as COVID that are just guesses.  Notice you didn’t debunk the downgrades to the model justifying the shutdown, despite already factoring in the shutdown.  

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9 hours ago, Army Frog Fan said:

C’mon the pneumonia thing is a joke, although they admitted they are coding things as COVID that are just guesses.  Notice you didn’t debunk the downgrades to the model justifying the shutdown, despite already factoring in the shutdown.  

I posted what they "admitted". It's no more a "guess" than most diagnoses on most death certificates..You are being taken in by FUD, none of which are at all your friends here.

 

As smooth pointed out elsewhere, why would I downgrade taking into account changed circumstances into a model? Or better data when the original USA data was so incredibly screwed up? You seem to think that because we are seeing better results means there never was an issue. This is the-various-Y2K-bugs-never-existed-thinking. I know they existed as I identified issues on a number of the machines under my control which I identified and fixed before Y2K. Programmers around the world worked for years in advance as well "forcing" updated software on their customers. And when you come right down to it, almost every database at the time coded years by 2 digits (storage and core memory were both ridiculously expensive then) which meant that about every database out there needed to be reworked in any case regardless of any "bug". That was real and expensive as well. 

 

The fact that the measures seem to be working is really NOT a bad thing! Just to take a local situation here. A single funeral at a funeral home just down the street not that many hours before the forced--rather than voluntary--closures the street led to over 100 cases and 3 dead (so far). Also wiped out our mail for nearly 2 weeks as this was a postie funeral. Not having more such funerals has been a GOOD thing. Or is if the curve bends downwards. Which it is. 3 lives/funeral/other such gathering is not a good thing.

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I love the tiny hands. ^ lol

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24 minutes ago, PurpleDawg said:

I love the tiny hands. ^ lol


and Fauci touching his face.

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In the well-known and much read among the denial/conspiracy crowd, science-denying source Watt's Up With That, again well known, science-denier and former masseuse by training William Eschenbach just told his readers to take a lethal dose--should they be less than 220 pounders, anyway--of quinine and chloroquine should they contract COVID saying "Just take nine weeks worth of chloroquine in three days, it aborts the onset of the chills and fever, no problem.  ...  Nothing to lose, everything to gain, and Fauci is both mad and destructive to argue against it..." H'mmm. that language sounds familiar. I wonder where he got the phrase "nothing to lose" from? Or why he thought it might be effective phrasing? 

 

Anyway, more isn't better with most meds. Certainly not a 9 weeks dose in 3 days. A 9 weeks dose of even aspirin (~150,000mg) in 3 days will make one pretty sick or dead as well. (LD of aspirin is about 500mg/kg  = about 50,000mg for a 220 pounder.)

 

Anyway, just another example of responsible and fair and balanced "science" from the self described "most read climate blog in the world."  Or maybe he just thinks all his readers are moderately-to-grossly obese and therefore a bit safer? Maybe we should get ALL of our science from such sources!

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1 hour ago, NewfoundlandFreeFrog said:

In the well-known and much read among the denial/conspiracy crowd, science-denying source Watt's Up With That, again well known, science-denier and former masseuse by training William Eschenbach just told his readers to take a lethal dose--should they be less than 220 pounders, anyway--of quinine and chloroquine should they contract COVID saying "Just take nine weeks worth of chloroquine in three days, it aborts the onset of the chills and fever, no problem.  ...  Nothing to lose, everything to gain, and Fauci is both mad and destructive to argue against it..." H'mmm. that language sounds familiar. I wonder where he got the phrase "nothing to lose" from? Or why he thought it might be effective phrasing? 

 

Anyway, more isn't better with most meds. Certainly not a 9 weeks dose in 3 days. A 9 weeks dose of even aspirin (~150,000mg) in 3 days will make one pretty sick or dead as well. (LD of aspirin is about 500mg/kg  = about 50,000mg for a 220 pounder.)

 

Anyway, just another example of responsible and fair and balanced "science" from the self described "most read climate blog in the world."  Or maybe he just thinks all his readers are moderately-to-grossly obese and therefore a bit safer? Maybe we should get ALL of our science from such sources!

 

Read this morning that Trump is tweeting that he may fire Fauci for daring to say that the American government's initial response could have been faster and would have saved lives.  So the minions are starting to line up against Fauci. 

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1 hour ago, Duquesne Frog said:

 

Read this morning that Trump is tweeting that he may fire Fauci for daring to say that the American government's initial response could have been faster and would have saved lives.  So the minions are starting to line up against Fauci. 

 

I think the bigger issue is the media misconstruing what Fauci meant.  Even Fauci himself said this was no big deal in January.  In hindsight, it was a bigger deal than even he expected.  But the media has their agenda to push, and basically forget that Trump was labeled a racist when he closed travel to China in January.  According to the left in Congress and the media, the only reason he did that was to distract attention from their impeachment trial.

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20 hours ago, Army Frog Fan said:

 

I think the bigger issue is the media misconstruing what Fauci meant.  Even Fauci himself said this was no big deal in January.  In hindsight, it was a bigger deal than even he expected.  But the media has their agenda to push, and basically forget that Trump was labeled a racist when he closed travel to China in January.  According to the left in Congress and the media, the only reason he did that was to distract attention from their impeachment trial.

 

One small, but factual, quibble: Trump did NOT "close travel to China" in January to nonChinese. The State Department did issue an advisory not to travel to China. Trump’s January order temporarily barred entry by foreign nationals who had traveled in China within the previous 14 days, with exceptions for the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Americans returning from China were supposed to be screened (that's a funny one!) and quarantined neither of which happened in any effective way. Americans were traveling to and returning from China well after January. It is now clear that many US citizens/nonChinese from China and surrounds and from other locations around the world which were already infected brought the virus in just fine, and these people were neither successfully screened nor effectively quarantined. This included some 40,000 travelers from China in the 2 months after the supposed "ban" on travel. Failure to use screening, quarantining,  and contact-tracing methods long known to experts.is the error for a problem which closing entry to Chinese-only was (and is) most definitely no solution at all. COVID travels with people travelling, not with people having various phenotypes or holding various specific passports traveling.

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3 hours ago, Duquesne Frog said:

Read this morning that Trump is tweeting that he may fire Fauci

To be fair (ugh, I want to vomit), he only retweeted what one of his MAGAts tweeted about #FireFauci. But, I think Dr. Fauci is on the hot seat. If he is fired, Trump's approval rating will plummet, as more people trust Fauci's handling of the pandemic than his.

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26 minutes ago, PurpleDawg said:

To be fair (ugh, I want to vomit), he only retweeted what one of his MAGAts tweeted about #FireFauci. But, I think Dr. Fauci is on the hot seat. If he is fired, Trump's approval rating will plummet, as more people trust Fauci's handling of the pandemic than his.

 

Stocks too.

 

That said, does anyone in the world doubt that he's toast at the first opportune (for Trump) moment?

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