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These debates would be so much better if Bernie was played by Gilbert Gottfried...

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Which of these men suffered the worst beating?

  1. Tim Ryan
  2. Joe Biden
  3. Rodney King

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The Democrats want to create a higher education system without risk, where students aren't responsible for their debt and schools aren't responsible for their costs. What could go wrong?

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8 hours ago, Rothbardian said:

The Democrats want to create a higher education system without risk, where students aren't responsible for their debt and schools aren't responsible for their costs. What could go wrong?

 

 

Sounds a lot like corporate welfare to me. Or possibly the taxpayer subsidized flood insurance so beloved by "conservatives, like Ted Cruz which "protects investments".  

 

Isn't it interesting how the definitions of "free stuff" and "risk takers" change depending on who is losing and who is risking?

 

The very notion of a corporation is a political/legal mechanism to protect investors from suffering the investors' full portion of losses that a corporation they own x% of might incur. Profits are individualized while losses are socialized. As God decreed.

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1 hour ago, NewfoundlandFreeFrog said:

 

 

Sounds a lot like corporate welfare to me. Or possibly the taxpayer subsidized flood insurance so beloved by "conservatives, like Ted Cruz which "protects investments".  

 

Isn't it interesting how the definitions of "free stuff" and "risk takers" change depending on who is losing and who is risking?

 

The very notion of a corporation is a political/legal mechanism to protect investors from suffering the investors' full portion of losses that a corporation they own x% of might incur. Profits are individualized while losses are socialized. As God decreed.

 

It's welfare alright, but it's not corporate. Most colleges and universities are NPOs and are creations of the state. The federal government took over student loans. Also, I do agree that flood insurance should not be government sponsored as well. Both of these issues have nothing to do with corporations.

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Regarding NFIP, Congress is considering a 5-year extension. It has unanimously passed the House. I expect the bill to pass the Senate with only a dozen or so Republican Senators voting  against.

 

Maybe next time NewfoundlandFreeFrog...

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1 hour ago, Rothbardian said:

Regarding NFIP, Congress is considering a 5-year extension. It has unanimously passed the House. I expect the bill to pass the Senate with only a dozen or so Republican Senators voting  against.

 

Maybe next time NewfoundlandFreeFrog...

 

I simply note that you reserve your expressed wrath to the cases where the "wrong" people get "free stuff". When the right people--living or legal fictions--get it, it appears the situation is much less serious. Or so your lack of posts on those such nanny state, socialist abuses would appear to indicate.

 

Re. the NFIP, here is Ted Cruz' highly conservative comment from his website on the "free stuff" provided by the govt: 

 

"Today's flood relief bill provides meaningful relief to the millions who faced dramatically high premiums that jeopardize their homes and their businesses. This bill is a substantial improvement over the previous Senate version in that it is far more fiscally responsible. The federal flood insurance program still needs further reforms to ensure its long-term solvency, but today's vote protects investment-backed expectations of Texans all along the Gulf Coast."  

 

It appears he wants to create a system where Gulf beachfront homeowners greatly reduce their risks saving them from being responsible for the actual debts their bad decisions incur. (I still remember when beachfront homes used to be more like shacks precisely because the owners expected to have to rebuild at their own expense from time to time.) The NFIP socializes the risks with taxpayer, nanny state monies but privatizes the benefits allowing a much different sort of beachfront living environment to occur.

 

It would seem to me that in railing against socialist, nanny state abuses, all such abuses should be railed against. But I never see it here or anywhere much for that matter when the free stuff goes to the right people. It can be done. Here, for example, is an article railing against the billions of socialist, nanny state monies that have gone to "risk taking entrepreneurs responsible for the costs of their decisions" in the area of developing fracking technology:  https://mises.org/library/government-roads-subsidies-and-costs-fracking

 

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8 hours ago, NewfoundlandFreeFrog said:

 

I simply note that you reserve your expressed wrath to the cases where the "wrong" people get "free stuff". When the right people--living or legal fictions--get it, it appears the situation is much less serious. Or so your lack of posts on those such nanny state, socialist abuses would appear to indicate.

 

Am I being detained?

 

 

I have stated on this board many times my opposition to things like the NFIP, sugar subsidies, government wars, etc. Do you want a full list? OR should we just take them one at a time as they are brought up in news stories?

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2 minutes ago, Rothbardian said:

 

 

If the DoD were not a jobs program, defense contractors wouldn't be so careful to make sure to spread the jobs around to the maximum congressional districts they can.

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Fair and balanced...

 

 

 

 

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6 hours ago, NewfoundlandFreeFrog said:

 

 

If the DoD were not a jobs program, defense contractors wouldn't be so careful to make sure to spread the jobs around to the maximum congressional districts they can.

 

So you are for corporate welfare now?

 

 

 

This is how government works, spread welfare around so it cannot possibly be canceled. When was the last time government canceled a program? Company's fail all the time, (Amazon) but government evidently gets every program right every time. Just like the war on drugs, the war on terror, education, health care, monetary policy, etc.

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9 hours ago, Rothbardian said:

 

So you are for corporate welfare now?

 

 

 

This is how government works, spread welfare around so it cannot possibly be canceled. When was the last time government canceled a program? Company's fail all the time, (Amazon) but government evidently gets every program right every time. Just like the war on drugs, the war on terror, education, health care, monetary policy, etc.

 

Um...I was agreeing with you. Hard to take, I guess.

 

That said, specific programs get cancelled all the time. I still remember the Atlas silos around a base I lived on being cancelled...er, well, immediately after a years long upgrade at great expense on cost plus contracts, anyway. Have you ever seen a B-70 bomber? An RAH-66? A National Polar-orbiting Operational Environmental Satellite System? It is departments and larger organizations that rarely get cancelled.

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11 hours ago, Newbomb Turk said:

Fair and balanced...

 

 

 

 

 

I doubt few Fox watchers and/or Trump supporters even blinked.  Even supposed "conservative" never-Trumpers have wimped out (much like some dems did on Iraq). They refuse to say anything.  Or, worse, mouth supports (I'm looking at you L'il Marco).

 

Doublethink:

 

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them… To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just as long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies—all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth. 

 

Or the realization that Winston comes to:

 

His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully-constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them; to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy; to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. 


Or see Hoffer's now quite old but still relevant The True Believer.  

 

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15 hours ago, NewfoundlandFreeFrog said:

 

Um...I was agreeing with you. Hard to take, I guess.

 

That said, specific programs get cancelled all the time. I still remember the Atlas silos around a base I lived on being cancelled...er, well, immediately after a years long upgrade at great expense on cost plus contracts, anyway. Have you ever seen a B-70 bomber? An RAH-66? A National Polar-orbiting Operational Environmental Satellite System? It is departments and larger organizations that rarely get cancelled.

 

Imagine being this person...

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I'm looking forward to when the progressives shut down free speech...

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You would think David Brooks would wear...wait for it

 

 

 

Brooks

 

(Oh and the answer was Hercules)

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Can't wait for our first black president to start paying reparations.

 

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Last night, our moron president had this to say about the nascent American military during the Revolutionary War:

 

“Our army manned the air, it rammed the ramparts, it took over the airports, it did everything it had to do, and at Fort McHenry, under the rockets’ red glare, it had nothing but victory.”

 

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1 hour ago, Rothbardian said:

moron president is redundant...

 

It may be, but it seems like it needs to be pointed out given the number of people that think our current moron president isn't a moron.

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Rape Island depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is...

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