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11 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley II said:

 

Agreed, which is why it's so weird for "conservatives" to have fallen in love with the centralization of power and big government tactics of the current administration.  

 

It seems to me that the labels that we assign to one ideology over another have become meaningless aside from identifying the team one self-identifies as. 

 

Conservatives, from a pure "Webster's Dictionary" standpoint should be people who, generally speaking, want to maintain the status quo.  To "conserve" the culture, government, economics that they inherit from their forebears.

 

Progressives/Liberals (they are basically synonymous now, no?) should be people who want to move away from the status quo.

 

From that perspective, the notion that a "conservative" wanted to keep the federal government small while a "progressive" wants more government involvement in society made sense in the era of FDR. 

 

But at some point, once the status quo is changed, the "liberal/progressive" position of the past becomes the new status quo.  Prior to the American Revolution, the "conservative" opinion would have been that of the Royalist/Monarchist.  But after the Revolution succeeded, Representative Democracy (for a limited subset of the population) became the new status quo and the "conservative" position changed to maintaining the government the "Founding Fathers" intended (and keeping the definition of the limited subset restrictive).  Similarly, Adam Smith and a free-market economic system was an incredibly liberal (from a dictionary definition perspective) idea at the time of the American Revolution.  It is now a very conservative idea as it has been in place as a core aspect of our economic system for over two centuries now.

 

We've had a big, expansive Federal government now for nearly a century.  In a related sense, we have had elements of socialism in our government/culture for a similar amount of time (social security, mandatory K-12 public education, progressive income taxation) and some elements of that socialism is defended tooth-and-nail by people claiming to both "conservatives" and "liberals" ... particularly social security and Medicare.

 

At this point, it seems like that is the new status quo.  So we've invented new terms, like Rothbard's 'statist' to mean what 'conservative' used to mean.  Because it seems like there are a lot of people self-identifying as "conservative" that want to blow up the system.  Which is a very un-conservative thing to do.

 

I think the terms "conservative" and "liberal" still make some sense from a social/culture perspective, but from an economic perspective, I have no idea what those terms mean anymore.

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I definitely agree that terminology and labels have evolved over time.  I guess I'm just confused why so many people that got whipped into a frenzy over the "Drain the Swamp" mentality are still so aggressively on board with the cult of personality now that we're seeing clear evidence Rothbardian's refrain that they're all (including the so-called swamp-drainer) just more of the same.

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Statist: an advocate of a political system in which the state has substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs.

 

Can be applied to both major political parties...not necessarily exclusive to conservatives.

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Obviously we're still 18 months out, but ole Uncle Joe and Crazy Bernie have a fight on their hands... Will be interesting to see if/ when any of the others gain traction.

 

The media loves them some Beto, but can he win a national primary? Let alone an election? 

 

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/442310-joe-biden

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13 minutes ago, DirtyThirdFrog said:

The media loves them some Beto, but can he win a national primary? Let alone an election? 

 

Beto is learning quickly that running against 20+ fellow Democrats is much, much different than running against Ted Cruz.  I really don't see him making much of a dent in this primary process once things really get going - although really, what do I know?  I never figured a longtime Clinton donor would become the Republican messiah, but here we are.

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I think they found flight MH370...

 

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2 hours ago, Lyle Lanley II said:

 

Beto is learning quickly that running against 20+ fellow Democrats is much, much different than running against Ted Cruz.  I really don't see him making much of a dent in this primary process once things really get going - although really, what do I know?  I never figured a longtime Clinton donor would become the Republican messiah, but here we are.

 

HA. Right?

 

But we're "snowflakes" if we don't like him.

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Interesting notion, but seemingly true these days...

 

Davis [...who served as the West Virginia director for Trump’s 2016 campaign and was a longtime booster for the coal industry before joining the Interior Department as a policy adviser for the Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement...] also questioned other department efforts to monitor mining’s impacts. Explaining why it had abruptly canceled a study into coal mining’s effects on the health of nearby residents, he said, “Science was a Democrat thing,”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/how-the-west-virginia-coal-industry-changed-federal-endangered-species-policy/2019/05/10/56d28de0-4bf0-11e9-b79a-961983b7e0cd_story.html

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7 hours ago, Lyle Lanley II said:

Some crackpot politician is voicing his support for Trump's cartoonish Space Force idea by playing up the dangers of Space Pirates:

 

The Hill: Senator warns 'Space Force' is needed to prevent space pirates

 

Technically, Han Solo is a space pirate...Kylo Ren is part of Space Force?

 

We obviously need more police protection and militarism.

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4 hours ago, Lyle Lanley II said:

With Australians going to the polls tomorrow, let's check in on the political climate Down Under:

 

Deadspin: Why Australians are tweeting about their prime minister shitting his pants at McDonald's

Them Aussie's a bit touched in the head. I reckon it's the heat. Or the crocs.

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1 hour ago, Duquesne Frog said:

Stay hard, Theresa May's political career ...

That poor lady has been through the wringer with those noobs who've thrown roadblock after roadblock at her as she's tried to get a deal made on Brexit. I feel so badly for her. Somebody like Boris is going to come in there now and take on the EU like a bull in a china shop. Chaos incoming. 

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2 hours ago, PurpleDawg said:

That poor lady has been through the wringer with those noobs who've thrown roadblock after roadblock at her as she's tried to get a deal made on Brexit. I feel so badly for her. Somebody like Boris is going to come in there now and take on the EU like a bull in a china shop. Chaos incoming. 

 

Don't feel too sorry. She very much helped making her own bed including a lot of out-and-out lying.  Of course lies work with voters a lot.

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1 hour ago, NewfoundlandFreeFrog said:

 

Don't feel too sorry. She very much helped making her own bed including a lot of out-and-out lying.  Of course lies work with voters a lot.

I might be naive, but I don't believe she lied. I think she's done her best to get a soft deal done so the EU is still an open market for the UK. I fear what Boris is going to do now.

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11 minutes ago, PurpleDawg said:

I might be naive, but I don't believe she lied. I think she's done her best to get a soft deal done so the EU is still an open market for the UK. I fear what Boris is going to do now.

 

He’s a buffoon. 

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3 hours ago, frogtwang said:

 

He’s a buffoon. 

He's odds on favorite for next PM, though. It'll be interesting to see what happens. I think there will be a big leadership fight. But, the EU has made it clear they're done negotiating terms.

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