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  2. God save us....

    I assumed his point was that the medications may possibly be contributing to this.
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    I think you will find this route nonproductive for what I think your POV is. Therapists simply do not judge "incompetent", "defective", or a "danger to society"--i.e., a judicial determination--in terms of therapy and medication. Many dangers to society require no medication at all, for example. These are two very different aspects of mental illness. As I mentioned to Luke, this seems to imply some sort of licensing system to me though maybe there is some other mechanism. Not against licensing, but that would certainly be the straightforward way to implement such things.
  4. God save us....

    OK, I apologize for the last sentence and deserve your approbation. Please forgive me for that addition. But let's look at the rest. First, I see another mistake...It's Florida not CA, of course. The Florida statutes are: Fla. Stat. Ann. §§ 790.065. Upon receipt of a request for a criminal history record check, the Department of Law Enforcement shall, during the licensee’s call or by return call forthwith: Review any records available to determine if the potential buyer or transferee: Has been adjudicated mentally defective or has been committed to a mental institution by a court, and as a result is prohibited by state or federal law from purchasing a firearm. The point remains and is not meant to disagree with you but to bring out a very core point: There is no way this kid fits as an illegible under the present fed or state laws. He is a "law abiding gun owner". Or was.
  5. God save us....

    I want to know more about what kind of therapy and medication this shooter may or may not have received.
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    Here we go again...I'm not going to debate you if you insist on challenging me to some sort of duel. I don't know what you are asking of me here. Did I ever say that "present legal structures allow guns to be kept from/confiscated from people who are not certified nor have committed a felony?" I honestly don't know what or why you are asking me this. Out of respect for this board, I kindly ask you clarify why you have chosen this path with me. I think it's a misunderstanding on your part. I am trying very hard to have a rational, non-emotional, open-minded debate here.
  7. God save us....

    Disagree on the parents point. In Canada, for example, an assault weapon is considered "restricted" (as are handguns) and the owner is completely responsible for double locking it and keeping it away from misuse. Failure to to do means loss of all firearms privileges pretty quickly. I for one, greatly fear that and follow the laws on secure storage. If I die, the gun safe will have to be drilled. I'm fine with that. This won't stop every event. But every real obstacle one puts in the way of such behaviors will reduce the rate of such behaviors. They have to be real obstacles, of course, as many on both sides have pointed out. Not sure I agree totally about the last sentence, but not worth worrying about.
  8. Too early to start a 2018 Baseball thread?

    Broadcast crew not realizing they are on air, with some lady telling Chuck, "Baylor's back to broadcasting their games with cellphone video. Come on, you can do better than that. You can't even see the ball!"
  9. God save us....

    I'm not sure I suggested that, but even then, guns are available through non-legal means for this type of activity. There are also parents out there who legally own AR-15s (and other assault/automatic weapons) whose kids could get access to them (we simply don't have the means to legislate stupidity by parents). I think what we all forget here are the numbers...the number of people actually capable of doing something like this is very, very small. However, the breadth of prevention measures to completely end this type of activity would affect every single citizen of the United States in some way or the other. For what it is worth, this school shooting phenomenon is mostly unique to America...the country with the most media coverage and the most freedom of expression on the planet. To that end, I think it is a by-product of this freedom, to some degree.
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    If you could point out the present legal structures which would allow guns to be kept from/confiscated from people who are not certified nor have committed a felony I'd like to know. The whole point of recent legislation even recently has been to extend ownership even to the mentally ill. The present federal law is gun ownership can be limited if one "has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution". Congressional reps argued for that "defective" or "committed" (a judicial procedure) language last year specifically because they did not want to "ensnare people who had mental health issues but otherwise were competent to own a gun". The California statutes are: Ca. Welf. & Inst. Code § 8100. A person shall not have in his or her possession or under his or her custody or control, or purchase or receive, or attempt to purchase or receive, any firearms whatsoever or any other deadly weapon if … he or she has been admitted to a facility and is receiving inpatient treatment [for a mental disorder], is a danger to self or others, even though the patient has consented to that treatment. Ca. Welf. & Inst. Code § 8103. No person who has been adjudicated by a court of any state to be a danger to others as a result of a mental disorder or mental illness shall purchase or receive, or attempt to purchase or receive, or have in his or her possession, custody, or control a firearm or any other deadly weapon unless there has been issued to the person a certificate by the court of adjudication upon release from treatment or at a later date stating that the person may possess a firearm or any other deadly weapon without endangering others, and the person has not, subsequent to the issuance of the certificate, again bee adjudicated by a court to be a danger to others as a result of a mental disorder or mental illness. . Under these statues, buddy is simply one of the "law abiding gun owners" we hear so much about. Therapists cannot commit anyone to any institution under the law. Involuntary commitment is a judicial procedure. Asking you to forgive me in advance for my 17 years of experience and 3 years chairing a national organization on legal issues in this area.
  11. God save us....

    I see no way of evaluating the mental health of every gun owner/buyer in even a cursory sense without introducing some form of mandatory licensing. Not against mandatory licensing, personally...seems an integral part of being "well regulated" to me, personally. Real militias of any military value are all about regulation and paperwork. But I don't think you'll find much support for the idea in the more extreme 2nd Amendment crowd though I think there is some or even moderate support among gun owners in general and certainly in the population at large though I haven't seen solid figures on this exact question recently).
  12. God save us....

    For what it's worth...from the Columbine killers: On January 30, 1998 (one year before the Columbine massacre), Harris and Klebold stole tools and other equipment from a van parked near the city of Littleton.[17] Both youths were arrested and subsequently attended a joint court hearing, where they pleaded guilty to the felony theft. The judge sentenced the duo to attend a juvenile diversion program. There, both boys attended mandated classes and talked with diversion officers. One of their classes taught anger management. Harris also began attending therapy classes with a psychologist. Klebold had a history of drinking and had failed a dilute urine test, but neither he nor Harris attended any substance abuse classes.[18] Harris and Klebold were eventually released from diversion several weeks early because of positive actions in the program. Shortly after undergoing counseling, the local Sheriff was notified that Harris had made numerous violent threats directed against the students and teachers of Columbine High School on a website. They ruled they didn't have probable cause to make any arrests. Their therapists were either direlict in their duties, or saw no signs of mental instability. I'm sure we've made progress since then, but to expect that a mass school therapy program would be any better at revealing potential school shooters is suspect, imo.
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    I fully recognize the First Amendment issue here, and it's not without thought that I suggest it as a solution. There are many examples of dangers to our society that have been "blacked out" over the years, but mostly under the guise of national security. I think there should be some honest discussion about it. For the record, I'm not at all opposed to stricter gun control measures...which could also be interpreted as going against the Constitution. In my opinion, this crisis has come about because of all the attention it creates. Look at our news cycle and social media right now...it is dominating the public conversation. How many hopeless other young adults and/or kids are out there right now thinking of how they could do something like this? Of course, that's not the only solution. You are correct about mental health services. I really wonder, though, about how far we would have to go with that in order to prevent these things. The scale of organizing such a comprehensive mental health evaluation program for school kids is unprecedented. Of course, I'm convinced that after a thorough analysis, you could find about 90% of the people in the country are crazy to some extent...
  15. God save us....

    Yeah. I expect his attorney to say all sorts of ridiculous things to deflect blame from his client.
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    That goes against the first Amendment. Mental health services should be a focus. I also think that extensive, universal background checks should me mandatory. A background check would have prevented this guy from purchasing the gun in the first place. Would he have found other means? That’s impossible to know.
  17. God save us....

    I realize his attorney has a job to do, but I just saw her on TV prattling on about undeveloped brains of 19 year olds. I'm sorry, but people have a sense of right and wrong instilled in them much earlier than 19. This young man is to blame, beyond anything else. Society has failed millions over the years, but they didn't turn out to be mass murderers.
  18. God save us....

    It may be somewhat helpful to know ( yet still alarming) that hundreds of these planned school shootings or stabbings (or just attempts at getting attention) are discovered, reported or otherwise foiled, every year.
  19. God save us....

    The killers do love and seek out the attention. Instead of blaming inanimate objects, legal gun owners, The Constitution, or the NRA; I blame the murderer, the school administration that failed to secure the school, and law enforcement who failed to follow up on a credible tip and allowed an obviously dangerous person to carry out this heinous act.
  20. God save us....

    I'm sure that is true, but I haven't met anybody, yet, who is refusing to do anything. My solution is to just flat out stop reporting these incidents. The perpetrators are crying out for attention, and they know they will get it through school shootings. They are at points in their lives where they don't care if they die or spend the rest of their lives in jail, but they want to make their mark on society. The only way to do that is to publicize these events. You can call that censorship, but I call it a strategy of prevention, in this case.
  21. The TCU Variety Thread

    The Fort Worth Star-Telegram is reporting that TCU head coach Sam Busch has resigned after 6 months leading the program. Busch was placed on administrative leave 2 weeks ago while the athletic department “conducted an internal inquiry into program rules, policy and procedure violations.” The school has not confirmed the exact reason for the investigation, but on Friday the school’s athletic director Jeremiah Donati did send a statement to the paper. “Coach Busch cooperated with our internal inquiry,” Donati said in the release. “After reviewing the facts with us, he decided to resign. I have accepted his resignation, and we wish him the best in his future coaching endeavors.” Assistant coach Keith Dawley has been appointed to lead the team to the Big 12 Championships that begin this Wednesday in Austin. https://swimswam.com/sam-busch-resigns-as-tcu-swimming-head-coach/
  22. God save us....

    If it's that easy to come up with a solution, then what do we do? What law/regulation can we pass that doesn't infringe on the rights of law abiding citizens?
  23. God save us....

    It’s funny that the person who has thrown numerous hissy fits and stormed out is calling someone else a snowflake.
  24. God save us....

    The real pieces of shit are those that refuse to do anything.
  25. God save us....

    Because people who stand on the graves of those victims in order to push certain agendas and take away our rights are pieces of shit.
  26. God save us....

    Lol, it is nonsense isn’t it. It’s not worth responding too. The adults should stick to talking about real solutions like school security, mental health services, and effective law enforcement. Let the snowflakes have their fantasy of outlawing and confiscating millions of weapons used for legitimate lawful purposes from millions of otherwise lawful gun owners.
  27. God save us....

    He refers to those that don’t agree with him as human pieces of shit. What does that say about his commentary?
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